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		<title>By: John G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three comments
1) Nice catch with Midas Mulligna Colin
2) Isn&#039;t Hank&#039;s last name Rearden? Did I read a different version or something?
3) Nice article</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three comments<br />
1) Nice catch with Midas Mulligna Colin<br />
2) Isn&#8217;t Hank&#8217;s last name Rearden? Did I read a different version or something?<br />
3) Nice article</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Dominguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Dominguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 20:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would disagree that &quot;self interest&quot; is the key to success of &quot;titans of industry&quot; and other business people who have successful careers.

I would make the case that those who are successful in business are consistently focused on creating value for *others*. And of course benefit for oneself can accrue as one who provides value.

On the many occasions I&#039;ve heard CEOs and business leaders talk (both in public and internally to staff), their talks are not about self-interest, it&#039;s about how their vision for creating more value and what their plans are for doing that.

It&#039;s when at the individual level, one becomes more concerned about self-interest, esp. short-term gain, that&#039;s when the trouble happens. 

Your post suggests that morality arises from a place of self-interest. I think that&#039;s a particularly limiting point of view. There&#039;s an increasing consciousness (which I believe transcends mere enlightened self-interest and motivates millions of people on this planet) that our fates are interconnected and that our talents and gifts are best utilized for the good of many, not just oneself, and that this is a truer path to fulfillment in life. 

If you look at the phenomenon of &quot;affluenza&quot; in the US, that&#039;s a sure indicator that a life dedicated to economic self-interest is not ultimately not what it&#039;s cracked up to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would disagree that &#8220;self interest&#8221; is the key to success of &#8220;titans of industry&#8221; and other business people who have successful careers.</p>
<p>I would make the case that those who are successful in business are consistently focused on creating value for *others*. And of course benefit for oneself can accrue as one who provides value.</p>
<p>On the many occasions I&#8217;ve heard CEOs and business leaders talk (both in public and internally to staff), their talks are not about self-interest, it&#8217;s about how their vision for creating more value and what their plans are for doing that.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s when at the individual level, one becomes more concerned about self-interest, esp. short-term gain, that&#8217;s when the trouble happens. </p>
<p>Your post suggests that morality arises from a place of self-interest. I think that&#8217;s a particularly limiting point of view. There&#8217;s an increasing consciousness (which I believe transcends mere enlightened self-interest and motivates millions of people on this planet) that our fates are interconnected and that our talents and gifts are best utilized for the good of many, not just oneself, and that this is a truer path to fulfillment in life. </p>
<p>If you look at the phenomenon of &#8220;affluenza&#8221; in the US, that&#8217;s a sure indicator that a life dedicated to economic self-interest is not ultimately not what it&#8217;s cracked up to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Gladwell</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2009/03/stephen-colbert-atlas-shrugged-rand-illusion/comment-page-1/#comment-2296</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Gladwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh: You&#039;ll notice that we chose our words carefully. We say &quot;there were no bankers among the titans of Atlas Shrugged,&quot; and that is both true and accurate. Mulligan played a bit part. The titans were Galt, Dagny Taggart, Reardon, and d&#039;Anconia. There were second-tier heroes as well, but none of them were bankers. 

Rand would never have cast a banker as a titan, nor could they have played a central role, because while certain types of bankers provide value, they are not producers. They produce nothing. They don&#039;t innovate. They simply play a role in helping the producers. 

In the real world, bankers thought they could innovate. And they innovated our way into the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. 

Thanks for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh: You&#8217;ll notice that we chose our words carefully. We say &#8220;there were no bankers among the titans of Atlas Shrugged,&#8221; and that is both true and accurate. Mulligan played a bit part. The titans were Galt, Dagny Taggart, Reardon, and d&#8217;Anconia. There were second-tier heroes as well, but none of them were bankers. </p>
<p>Rand would never have cast a banker as a titan, nor could they have played a central role, because while certain types of bankers provide value, they are not producers. They produce nothing. They don&#8217;t innovate. They simply play a role in helping the producers. </p>
<p>In the real world, bankers thought they could innovate. And they innovated our way into the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. </p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Bee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Atlas Shrugged, we see that Midas Mulligan is a banker. He leaves American culture because society pressures him to lend money to those too poor to pay it back, and he considers this unproductive and amoral. 

In reality, amoral bankers (unlike Mulligan) are the ones who loaned money based on either altruism or immoral greed... in either case, it has deep-seated philosophical and practical  consequences.

To the author: Perhaps reading the book would save you the embarrassment of posing such a sarcastic rhetorical question about  Bankers in Rand&#039;s novel. 

In this free-market of thought, you&#039;ll have paid for your mistake by suffering this rebuke, and by having lost some of my credulity- an equitable end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Atlas Shrugged, we see that Midas Mulligan is a banker. He leaves American culture because society pressures him to lend money to those too poor to pay it back, and he considers this unproductive and amoral. </p>
<p>In reality, amoral bankers (unlike Mulligan) are the ones who loaned money based on either altruism or immoral greed&#8230; in either case, it has deep-seated philosophical and practical  consequences.</p>
<p>To the author: Perhaps reading the book would save you the embarrassment of posing such a sarcastic rhetorical question about  Bankers in Rand&#8217;s novel. </p>
<p>In this free-market of thought, you&#8217;ll have paid for your mistake by suffering this rebuke, and by having lost some of my credulity- an equitable end.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Gladwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Gladwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc: That chart is from an Economist article: http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13185404. It coincides with the news certainly pre-dates the Obama admin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc: That chart is from an Economist article: <a href="http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13185404" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13185404</a>. It coincides with the news certainly pre-dates the Obama admin.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Hummel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Hummel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. 

Any idea if the graph he showed correlating Obama&#039;s economic announcements to sales of &quot;Shrugged&quot; is real? I&#039;d be surprised if someone a) had access to that data and b) took the time to put it together, but maybe that&#039;s what Colbert interns are for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. </p>
<p>Any idea if the graph he showed correlating Obama&#8217;s economic announcements to sales of &#8220;Shrugged&#8221; is real? I&#8217;d be surprised if someone a) had access to that data and b) took the time to put it together, but maybe that&#8217;s what Colbert interns are for.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Gladwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Gladwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard: Thank you. Thank you for making Francisco&#039;s quote a permanent part of Max Gladwell. It was long overdue. 

We&#039;re optimists, though. We have faith in the Constitution and American Democracy. We believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It&#039;s no coincidence that our forefathers added the elusive concept of &quot;happiness&quot; to the Declaration of Independence and that happiness is a key theme for Rand. 

Our favorite quote from Atlas Shrugged is in Galt&#039;s speech. &quot;Life is the reward of virtue, and happiness is the goal and reward of life.&quot; 

The vision set forth by our founding fathers has surely been corrupted. The Left and Right have an equal share in this. But it&#039;s not beyond repair. We now have the tools to take back our government. It won&#039;t be easy and the path may not be direct. But we&#039;re confident that we&#039;ll get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard: Thank you. Thank you for making Francisco&#8217;s quote a permanent part of Max Gladwell. It was long overdue. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re optimists, though. We have faith in the Constitution and American Democracy. We believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It&#8217;s no coincidence that our forefathers added the elusive concept of &#8220;happiness&#8221; to the Declaration of Independence and that happiness is a key theme for Rand. </p>
<p>Our favorite quote from Atlas Shrugged is in Galt&#8217;s speech. &#8220;Life is the reward of virtue, and happiness is the goal and reward of life.&#8221; </p>
<p>The vision set forth by our founding fathers has surely been corrupted. The Left and Right have an equal share in this. But it&#8217;s not beyond repair. We now have the tools to take back our government. It won&#8217;t be easy and the path may not be direct. But we&#8217;re confident that we&#8217;ll get there.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read everywhere how Galt was &quot;One of the richest men in the country&quot; in the novel. Did we read a different book? Galt was the son of a gas station attendant who invented a motor that could have made him rich, but he never takes it to market. Galt is never the richest man in the novel- he&#039;s relatively poor- but he is the SMARTEST man in the novel, and would be richer than the rest in a free market that respected the mind. Too many commentators talk as if Atlas is about a strike of the RICH. It&#039;s not. It&#039;s not even a strike of the PRODUCTIVE. It&#039;s a strike of the MIND. It&#039;s about the mind on strike- the thinkers, the doers, the creators- whether they are rich (like the banker Midas Mulligan) or poor (like the  young brakeman and others). Many of the villains in the story are richer than all the heroes put together (James Taggart tosses $100 bills to bums) but they&#039;re rich through government pull. 

As the character Francisco D&#039;Anconia says at the end of his famous Money Speech:
&quot;When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing -
When you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors -
When you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you -
When you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice -
You may know that your society is doomed&quot;

Look around us. We are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read everywhere how Galt was &#8220;One of the richest men in the country&#8221; in the novel. Did we read a different book? Galt was the son of a gas station attendant who invented a motor that could have made him rich, but he never takes it to market. Galt is never the richest man in the novel- he&#8217;s relatively poor- but he is the SMARTEST man in the novel, and would be richer than the rest in a free market that respected the mind. Too many commentators talk as if Atlas is about a strike of the RICH. It&#8217;s not. It&#8217;s not even a strike of the PRODUCTIVE. It&#8217;s a strike of the MIND. It&#8217;s about the mind on strike- the thinkers, the doers, the creators- whether they are rich (like the banker Midas Mulligan) or poor (like the  young brakeman and others). Many of the villains in the story are richer than all the heroes put together (James Taggart tosses $100 bills to bums) but they&#8217;re rich through government pull. </p>
<p>As the character Francisco D&#8217;Anconia says at the end of his famous Money Speech:<br />
&#8220;When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing -<br />
When you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors -<br />
When you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you -<br />
When you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice -<br />
You may know that your society is doomed&#8221;</p>
<p>Look around us. We are.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Gladwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Gladwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This comment from the HuffPo article says it best: 

My paraphrase of Mark Twain&#039;s definition of the term: &quot;A book everyone talks about, but nobody actually reads&quot;. In the case of compulsive capitalists: &quot;But they still let what they think it says rule their thinking and behavior&quot;.

Those who would hijack Rand to justify their immoral behavior and political agenda talk about Atlas Shrugged, but they haven&#039;t actually read it. They don&#039;t know what it means to be self-reliant and to value productivity and creativity. 

These people are all too eager to gain from corporate welfare and for the advantages afforded by lobbyists like Abramoff and the corrupt politicians who they buy. Rand despised corrupt politicians and made no distinction about which way that corruption leaned, whether to the left or right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment from the HuffPo article says it best: </p>
<p>My paraphrase of Mark Twain&#8217;s definition of the term: &#8220;A book everyone talks about, but nobody actually reads&#8221;. In the case of compulsive capitalists: &#8220;But they still let what they think it says rule their thinking and behavior&#8221;.</p>
<p>Those who would hijack Rand to justify their immoral behavior and political agenda talk about Atlas Shrugged, but they haven&#8217;t actually read it. They don&#8217;t know what it means to be self-reliant and to value productivity and creativity. </p>
<p>These people are all too eager to gain from corporate welfare and for the advantages afforded by lobbyists like Abramoff and the corrupt politicians who they buy. Rand despised corrupt politicians and made no distinction about which way that corruption leaned, whether to the left or right.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Gladwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Gladwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin: You are right. The narrow role of the banker as a financier is essential. We&#039;ve let that get out of control with a thousand other types of financial services, which is what ultimately brought our economy down. Good ol&#039; Midas. I knew there was one. He just didn&#039;t play a central role. 

De Rein: Your point is a good one, but capping income is not the answer. We simply need a set of laws to govern and insure integrity. People generally won&#039;t act morally without a sufficient carrot-and-stick system of rewards and punishments. It&#039;s not so much regulations as basic laws. 

What we&#039;ve had over the past decade is not a free market. Anything but. The destruction of our economy is not the result of the free market run wild. The market was manipulated by big business, lobbyists, and big government in favor of big business. That&#039;s not free. Huge government subsidies and tax breaks for select industries (energy, agriculture, etc.) is not free. We need to return to a free market, which is something we&#039;ve never really had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin: You are right. The narrow role of the banker as a financier is essential. We&#8217;ve let that get out of control with a thousand other types of financial services, which is what ultimately brought our economy down. Good ol&#8217; Midas. I knew there was one. He just didn&#8217;t play a central role. </p>
<p>De Rein: Your point is a good one, but capping income is not the answer. We simply need a set of laws to govern and insure integrity. People generally won&#8217;t act morally without a sufficient carrot-and-stick system of rewards and punishments. It&#8217;s not so much regulations as basic laws. </p>
<p>What we&#8217;ve had over the past decade is not a free market. Anything but. The destruction of our economy is not the result of the free market run wild. The market was manipulated by big business, lobbyists, and big government in favor of big business. That&#8217;s not free. Huge government subsidies and tax breaks for select industries (energy, agriculture, etc.) is not free. We need to return to a free market, which is something we&#8217;ve never really had.</p>
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