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		<title>By: lys001</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2009/03/key-distinction-between-sustainable-systems-green-tips/comment-page-1/#comment-3657</link>
		<dc:creator>lys001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for telling me the difference  between sustainable and green. Sustainable is a macro concept and green is a micro concept, thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for telling me the difference  between sustainable and green. Sustainable is a macro concept and green is a micro concept, thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Being sustainable: means or end? &#171; Sustainable Teams: Connecting Voices of Change</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2009/03/key-distinction-between-sustainable-systems-green-tips/comment-page-1/#comment-2983</link>
		<dc:creator>Being sustainable: means or end? &#171; Sustainable Teams: Connecting Voices of Change</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sustainable: means or&#160;end?  Sustainability is not about simply becoming greener, but it is about performing a paradigm shift in the way we do business: According to Chouinard, sustainability is &#8220;a process, not a real [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sustainable: means or&nbsp;end?  Sustainability is not about simply becoming greener, but it is about performing a paradigm shift in the way we do business: According to Chouinard, sustainability is &#8220;a process, not a real [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2009/03/key-distinction-between-sustainable-systems-green-tips/comment-page-1/#comment-2684</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 21:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you consider cloud computing a sustainable system? Changes in energy management?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you consider cloud computing a sustainable system? Changes in energy management?</p>
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		<title>By: fashion loves people &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ethical Shopping: Buying is the New Boycotting</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2009/03/key-distinction-between-sustainable-systems-green-tips/comment-page-1/#comment-2357</link>
		<dc:creator>fashion loves people &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ethical Shopping: Buying is the New Boycotting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 05:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are each product’s inputs relative, but our own individual needs are, too. There can be as many shades of green as there are shades of individuality — because that’s what your own “green” is all about. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are each product’s inputs relative, but our own individual needs are, too. There can be as many shades of green as there are shades of individuality — because that’s what your own “green” is all about. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ethical shopping: Buying is the new boycotting &#124; The Pop!Tech Blog &#124; Accelerating the Positive Impact of Worldchanging People and Ideas</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2009/03/key-distinction-between-sustainable-systems-green-tips/comment-page-1/#comment-2355</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethical shopping: Buying is the new boycotting &#124; The Pop!Tech Blog &#124; Accelerating the Positive Impact of Worldchanging People and Ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] each product&#8217;s inputs relative, but our own individual needs are, too. There can be as many shades of green as there are shades of individuality &#8212; because that&#8217;s what your own &#8220;green&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] each product&#8217;s inputs relative, but our own individual needs are, too. There can be as many shades of green as there are shades of individuality &#8212; because that&#8217;s what your own &#8220;green&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Green</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2009/03/key-distinction-between-sustainable-systems-green-tips/comment-page-1/#comment-2346</link>
		<dc:creator>Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>while on the topic of “Zumbox isn’t a green solution. It is a sustainable alternative.”, shouldnt it be “Zumbox isn’t a green alternative. It is a sustainable solution.” ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while on the topic of “Zumbox isn’t a green solution. It is a sustainable alternative.”, shouldnt it be “Zumbox isn’t a green alternative. It is a sustainable solution.” ?</p>
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		<title>By: On the Distinction Between Sustainable Systems and Green Tips &#124; Max Gladwell &#171; Sustainable Teams</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2009/03/key-distinction-between-sustainable-systems-green-tips/comment-page-1/#comment-2316</link>
		<dc:creator>On the Distinction Between Sustainable Systems and Green Tips &#124; Max Gladwell &#171; Sustainable Teams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] via On the Distinction Between Sustainable Systems and Green Tips &#124; Max Gladwell. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] via On the Distinction Between Sustainable Systems and Green Tips | Max Gladwell. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2009/03/key-distinction-between-sustainable-systems-green-tips/comment-page-1/#comment-2299</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say, &quot;Zumbox isn’t a green solution. It is a sustainable alternative.&quot; 

While that may be true in this context, for those who use Zumbox, it does represent a green solution. Because it does help people or companies to be green by reducing their use of paper and all of the related impacts that come with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say, &#8220;Zumbox isn’t a green solution. It is a sustainable alternative.&#8221; </p>
<p>While that may be true in this context, for those who use Zumbox, it does represent a green solution. Because it does help people or companies to be green by reducing their use of paper and all of the related impacts that come with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Gladwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Gladwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Green: This post probably deserves a rather lengthy white paper on the topic with some illustrations. The term &quot;systems&quot; is pretty open to interpretation and could be better defined. 

What we mean in the above is that systems often overlap with other systems. The USPS is a system that uses several others: energy, transportation, communications, etc. These stand on their own and aren&#039;t reliant on the USPS. If you strip those out and look at the core system, you find one that delivers paper documents as well as parcels. That particular system, which is certainly large enough to be a macro concept, is unsustainable because of the gross misuse of natural resources (trees) and the ecological impact (waste). You can address the system by making it more efficient (i.e. green) by reducing the number of trees it consumes, but greater efficiency alone will never make it sustainable. An entirely new system needs to be developed, where sustainability is part of its DNA. 

Cradle to Cradle defines sustainability in absolute terms quite clearly and convincingly. When water can exit a factory cleaner than when it entered, that is a  sustainable system. The factory may run on coal power, which is not sustainable, but the system that processes the water still would be. 

On the other hand, it&#039;s conceivable that if all of the paper the USPS delivered could return to the soil and decompose organically with no toxins or ecological impact, then the existing system could become sustainable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Green: This post probably deserves a rather lengthy white paper on the topic with some illustrations. The term &#8220;systems&#8221; is pretty open to interpretation and could be better defined. </p>
<p>What we mean in the above is that systems often overlap with other systems. The USPS is a system that uses several others: energy, transportation, communications, etc. These stand on their own and aren&#8217;t reliant on the USPS. If you strip those out and look at the core system, you find one that delivers paper documents as well as parcels. That particular system, which is certainly large enough to be a macro concept, is unsustainable because of the gross misuse of natural resources (trees) and the ecological impact (waste). You can address the system by making it more efficient (i.e. green) by reducing the number of trees it consumes, but greater efficiency alone will never make it sustainable. An entirely new system needs to be developed, where sustainability is part of its DNA. </p>
<p>Cradle to Cradle defines sustainability in absolute terms quite clearly and convincingly. When water can exit a factory cleaner than when it entered, that is a  sustainable system. The factory may run on coal power, which is not sustainable, but the system that processes the water still would be. </p>
<p>On the other hand, it&#8217;s conceivable that if all of the paper the USPS delivered could return to the soil and decompose organically with no toxins or ecological impact, then the existing system could become sustainable.</p>
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		<title>By: Green</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2009/03/key-distinction-between-sustainable-systems-green-tips/comment-page-1/#comment-2282</link>
		<dc:creator>Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max, it seems to me that in your absolute terms nothing is sustainable. I also see some self-contradictory concepts in your words.

You say that sustainability is a macro concept, and it applies broadly to entire systems and infrastructures.

But in the Zumbox example, you say &quot;However, the actual system that Zumbox addresses is not energy but rather paper mail.&quot; Here you draw the line on what the &quot;entire system&quot; comprises.

I am not necessarily disagreeing with your point, but  I think it is impossible to create absolute lines when it comes to sustainability, especially using the lines you drew here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, it seems to me that in your absolute terms nothing is sustainable. I also see some self-contradictory concepts in your words.</p>
<p>You say that sustainability is a macro concept, and it applies broadly to entire systems and infrastructures.</p>
<p>But in the Zumbox example, you say &#8220;However, the actual system that Zumbox addresses is not energy but rather paper mail.&#8221; Here you draw the line on what the &#8220;entire system&#8221; comprises.</p>
<p>I am not necessarily disagreeing with your point, but  I think it is impossible to create absolute lines when it comes to sustainability, especially using the lines you drew here.</p>
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