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	<title>Comments on: How to Debate Climate Change with Conservative Skeptics, Part 3</title>
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		<title>By: Zumbox is the Paperless Mail Alternative for Businesses and Consumers &#124; Max Gladwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zumbox is the Paperless Mail Alternative for Businesses and Consumers &#124; Max Gladwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in that 42 cents. Those other costs are known as externalities. We&#8217;ve written often about the external costs of fossil fuels, such as the health effects of pollution and the national security implications of relying on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in that 42 cents. Those other costs are known as externalities. We&#8217;ve written often about the external costs of fossil fuels, such as the health effects of pollution and the national security implications of relying on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Reading Max Gladwell's Energy Policy? &#124; Max Gladwell</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2008/07/how-to-debate-climate-change-with-conservative-skeptics-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-902</link>
		<dc:creator>Is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Reading Max Gladwell's Energy Policy? &#124; Max Gladwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] To Cancer (SU2C) with Blog Challenge on Bloggers Rally for the Red CrossBookmarks about Speech on How to Debate Climate Change with Conservative Skeptics, Part 3green blog on GM Could Be Serious About &#8220;Gas Free.&#8221; A Look at the History Behind the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] To Cancer (SU2C) with Blog Challenge on Bloggers Rally for the Red CrossBookmarks about Speech on How to Debate Climate Change with Conservative Skeptics, Part 3green blog on GM Could Be Serious About &#8220;Gas Free.&#8221; A Look at the History Behind the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bookmarks about Speech</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookmarks about Speech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - bookmarked by 2 members originally found by 4bluehornet on 2008-07-22  How to Debate Climate Change with Conservative Skeptics, Part 3  http://www.maxgladwell.com/2008/07/how-to-debate-climate-change-with-conservative-skeptics-part-3/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; bookmarked by 2 members originally found by 4bluehornet on 2008-07-22  How to Debate Climate Change with Conservative Skeptics, Part 3  <a href="http://www.maxgladwell.com/2008/07/how-to-debate-climate-change-with-conservative-skeptics-part-3/">http://www.maxgladwell.com/2008/07/how-to-debate-climate-change-with-conservative-skeptics-part-3/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Great Water Debate: Bottled, Tap, and Aquifer &#124; Max Gladwell</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2008/07/how-to-debate-climate-change-with-conservative-skeptics-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-835</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great Water Debate: Bottled, Tap, and Aquifer &#124; Max Gladwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wrote briefly about the Pickens Plan in Part 3 of How to Debate Climate Change. First, we want to clarify that this plan is tragically flawed. Pickens wants to trade dependence [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wrote briefly about the Pickens Plan in Part 3 of How to Debate Climate Change. First, we want to clarify that this plan is tragically flawed. Pickens wants to trade dependence [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2008/07/how-to-debate-climate-change-with-conservative-skeptics-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-735</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about arguing climate change from the perspective of costs and benefits?

If Global Warming is False.  Two options.  If we do something, the worst possible outcome is global economic depression.  If we do nothing, everyone is happy and life goes on.

If Global Warming is True.  Two options.  If we do something, we mitigate the effects.  If we don&#039;t, the worst possible outcome is global disaster (famine, death, economic depression, etc). 

In the above scenerios we have two risks.  Global Economic Depression and Global Disaster (including the economic depression).

The choice we must make is a simple matter of costs and benefits.

We must choose the lesser of the two risks. 

Therefore, it only makes sense to do something about global warming (whether it is happening or not).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about arguing climate change from the perspective of costs and benefits?</p>
<p>If Global Warming is False.  Two options.  If we do something, the worst possible outcome is global economic depression.  If we do nothing, everyone is happy and life goes on.</p>
<p>If Global Warming is True.  Two options.  If we do something, we mitigate the effects.  If we don&#8217;t, the worst possible outcome is global disaster (famine, death, economic depression, etc). </p>
<p>In the above scenerios we have two risks.  Global Economic Depression and Global Disaster (including the economic depression).</p>
<p>The choice we must make is a simple matter of costs and benefits.</p>
<p>We must choose the lesser of the two risks. </p>
<p>Therefore, it only makes sense to do something about global warming (whether it is happening or not).</p>
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		<title>By: Max Gladwell</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2008/07/how-to-debate-climate-change-with-conservative-skeptics-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-734</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Gladwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the dollar amount of our dependence on fossil fuels is as important as what it does to our national security. Pickens&#039; numbers don&#039;t include the taxpayer expenditures in subsidies and military. Those are real costs that get stuffed under the rug. 

In terms of the science, there is plenty more reason than global warming to address the underlying issues of our fossil fuel dependence. 

You&#039;re welcome to debate the science, as long as you&#039;re aware that fossil-fuel interests are the ones who are fueling it and trying to prolong our dependence on energy sources that are both killing and bankrupting us. If we make a strong move to low-carbon fuels (including nuclear, as we&#039;ve argued here), it&#039;s beneficial to all of humanity, save for the relative few who have vested interests in fossil fuels. 

As if we needed another example, look at China, which just passed the U.S. as the top carbon emitter. It&#039;s no coincidence that they also have the most toxic air pollution on the planet. Government has to shut down industry and restrict car use in an attempt to have some semblance of air quality for the Olympics. Otherwise, we won&#039;t have to worry about China as a military threat. They&#039;re going to pollute themselves out of existence. All thanks to fossil fuels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the dollar amount of our dependence on fossil fuels is as important as what it does to our national security. Pickens&#8217; numbers don&#8217;t include the taxpayer expenditures in subsidies and military. Those are real costs that get stuffed under the rug. </p>
<p>In terms of the science, there is plenty more reason than global warming to address the underlying issues of our fossil fuel dependence. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome to debate the science, as long as you&#8217;re aware that fossil-fuel interests are the ones who are fueling it and trying to prolong our dependence on energy sources that are both killing and bankrupting us. If we make a strong move to low-carbon fuels (including nuclear, as we&#8217;ve argued here), it&#8217;s beneficial to all of humanity, save for the relative few who have vested interests in fossil fuels. </p>
<p>As if we needed another example, look at China, which just passed the U.S. as the top carbon emitter. It&#8217;s no coincidence that they also have the most toxic air pollution on the planet. Government has to shut down industry and restrict car use in an attempt to have some semblance of air quality for the Olympics. Otherwise, we won&#8217;t have to worry about China as a military threat. They&#8217;re going to pollute themselves out of existence. All thanks to fossil fuels.</p>
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		<title>By: How to Debate Climate Change : Ameel&#8217;s Career &#38; MBA Exposition (ACME)</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2008/07/how-to-debate-climate-change-with-conservative-skeptics-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-733</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Debate Climate Change : Ameel&#8217;s Career &#38; MBA Exposition (ACME)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Debate Climate Change with Conservative Skeptics&#8217; and he&#8217;s written parts one, two, and three so far. They&#8217;re aimed at an American audience and use mostly US examples but they make a good [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Debate Climate Change with Conservative Skeptics&#8217; and he&#8217;s written parts one, two, and three so far. They&#8217;re aimed at an American audience and use mostly US examples but they make a good [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Garth Wenck</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2008/07/how-to-debate-climate-change-with-conservative-skeptics-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-731</link>
		<dc:creator>Garth Wenck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My earlier comments were restricted by the space available.I don&#039;t, &amp; strongly suspect most skeptics agree reducing all forms of pollution &amp; conserving fossil fuels are both highly desirable . Please support a genuine scientific debate so these and other problems can be addressed co-operatively. The great scientists of today &amp; the past would never say &quot;the science is finished&quot; Einstein invited others to refute his theories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My earlier comments were restricted by the space available.I don&#8217;t, &amp; strongly suspect most skeptics agree reducing all forms of pollution &amp; conserving fossil fuels are both highly desirable . Please support a genuine scientific debate so these and other problems can be addressed co-operatively. The great scientists of today &amp; the past would never say &#8220;the science is finished&#8221; Einstein invited others to refute his theories.</p>
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		<title>By: Meryn Stol</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2008/07/how-to-debate-climate-change-with-conservative-skeptics-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-730</link>
		<dc:creator>Meryn Stol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete: I haven&#039;t checked on the numbers, but if Pickens is overstating the financial case, that&#039;s a sad thing. However, the financial perspective is not the right perspective to take here. It doesn&#039;t give us useful answers anymore, at least, not compared to all the data we&#039;ve got at our disposable now we&#039;re in the information age. 
We just got to agree on what we want - I can&#039;t say as a  nation because I&#039;m not American - as citizens of the earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete: I haven&#8217;t checked on the numbers, but if Pickens is overstating the financial case, that&#8217;s a sad thing. However, the financial perspective is not the right perspective to take here. It doesn&#8217;t give us useful answers anymore, at least, not compared to all the data we&#8217;ve got at our disposable now we&#8217;re in the information age.<br />
We just got to agree on what we want &#8211; I can&#8217;t say as a  nation because I&#8217;m not American &#8211; as citizens of the earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Meryn Stol</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2008/07/how-to-debate-climate-change-with-conservative-skeptics-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-729</link>
		<dc:creator>Meryn Stol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the behavior of Gore and Pickens is absolutely not typical for a &quot;selfish&quot; person. Any financial gains they have will be more of a by-product of their help rather then their measure of success. In fact, I think it&#039;s a very good thing if lots of money flows towards people like Gore and Pickens. There, it&#039;s in better hands than of the general public. The same holds true for other environmental and social entrepreneurs of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the behavior of Gore and Pickens is absolutely not typical for a &#8220;selfish&#8221; person. Any financial gains they have will be more of a by-product of their help rather then their measure of success. In fact, I think it&#8217;s a very good thing if lots of money flows towards people like Gore and Pickens. There, it&#8217;s in better hands than of the general public. The same holds true for other environmental and social entrepreneurs of course.</p>
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