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		<title>By: Ryan Galt</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2008/07/beware-false-prophets-a-global-warming-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-1891</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To say it bluntly, this conference was not what I expected.  I had heard of a number of people who were presenting, including Howard Lyman (of Mad Cowboy and Oprah-swearing-off-hamburger fame) and John Raatz (maker of What the Bleep Do We Know?).  I heard it would be broadcast via satellite, but thought that would be a side benefit rather than a dominant feature that structured all portions of the conference.  Plus, how often does one get invited to Hollywood to give a talk?  For these reasons I participated.

As an event in Hollywood, I was hoping that the conference would highlight the issue of animal agriculture&#039;s contribution to global warming.  I&#039;m thankful for your honest coverage of the conference, including the important question of environmental and policy strategy.

I&#039;m by no means a vegan, but I am a vegetarian.  One of the main reasons for my choice is the inefficiency involved in converting feed to meat in industrial meat production systems.  I cannot personally justify converting 16 pounds of grain into one pound of beef [1].  Nor can I justify emissions of about 36 pounds of CO2 equivalent for a pound of beef [2], especially relative to 0.68 pounds CO2 equivalent for the production of a pound of dried peas [3].  Other meats are more efficient than beef generally, but much less so than vegetable protein.

But the way in which animals are raised makes a large difference relative to environmental impact.  In terms of sustainable meat production, one of the most impressive things going on is a movement to get back to how humans used to use animals.  We used to raise animals in order to convert energy and nutrients that were not readily available to humans - e.g., grazing them on low productivity land that could not be farmed, or feeding them near-rotting food or not easily digestible food by-products.  In doing this, humans received meat and also a concentrated form of nutrients (manure) to use on our crops.  Humans are smart - this arrangement makes a good deal of sense and has been used by many cultures for millennia.  And recently we&#039;ve seen a dramatic increase in this kind of production in the US, such as grass-fed beef based on rotational grazing systems [4].  As part of an overall approach to wise land use decisions for food production, it makes sense to use at least some of the least productive land for grazing [5].  Even with this more sustainable form of meat production, I&#039;d say we in the US still need to greatly reduce our overall meat consumption for both health and environmental reasons, and that only a relatively small amount of meat can be raised in this more sustainable fashion (one reason for its higher price).

The overall point of my presentation was that we need to consider food choices as equally important to our transportation choices in dealing with global warming, both as individuals and as a society that is attempting to tackle the challenge through policy and economic change.  Everyone needs to know this, especially those of us in the industrialized world who produce far more than our fair share of global warming gases.  One benefit of the conference is that it gave me an opportunity to voice this to an audience larger than an academic conference (including the chance to discuss the issue on this here blog).  For that I am thankful.  However, I agree with you that vegan elitism and dogma without regard to empirical evidence are not promising ways forward.

References
[1] USDA ERS, cited in Lappé, Frances Moore. 1991. Diet for a small planet. 20th Anniversary ed. New York: Ballantine Books.
[2] Ogino A, Orito H, Shimada K, Hirooka H. 2007. Evaluating environmental impacts of the Japanese beef cow-calf system by the life cycle assessment method. Anim Sci J 78:424–432. 
[3] Carlsson-Kanyama, Annika. 1998. Climate change and dietary choices: how can emissions of greenhouse gases from food consumption be reduced? Food Policy 23 (3-4):277-293.
[4] Hassanein, Neva. 1999. Changing the way America farms: Knowledge and community in the sustainable agriculture movement. Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press.
[5] Peters, C. J., J. L. Wilkins, and G. W. Fick. 2007. Testing a complete-diet model for estimating the land resource requirements of food consumption and agricultural carrying capacity: The New York State example. Renewable Agriculture and Food Systems 22 (02):145-153.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say it bluntly, this conference was not what I expected.  I had heard of a number of people who were presenting, including Howard Lyman (of Mad Cowboy and Oprah-swearing-off-hamburger fame) and John Raatz (maker of What the Bleep Do We Know?).  I heard it would be broadcast via satellite, but thought that would be a side benefit rather than a dominant feature that structured all portions of the conference.  Plus, how often does one get invited to Hollywood to give a talk?  For these reasons I participated.</p>
<p>As an event in Hollywood, I was hoping that the conference would highlight the issue of animal agriculture&#8217;s contribution to global warming.  I&#8217;m thankful for your honest coverage of the conference, including the important question of environmental and policy strategy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m by no means a vegan, but I am a vegetarian.  One of the main reasons for my choice is the inefficiency involved in converting feed to meat in industrial meat production systems.  I cannot personally justify converting 16 pounds of grain into one pound of beef [1].  Nor can I justify emissions of about 36 pounds of CO2 equivalent for a pound of beef [2], especially relative to 0.68 pounds CO2 equivalent for the production of a pound of dried peas [3].  Other meats are more efficient than beef generally, but much less so than vegetable protein.</p>
<p>But the way in which animals are raised makes a large difference relative to environmental impact.  In terms of sustainable meat production, one of the most impressive things going on is a movement to get back to how humans used to use animals.  We used to raise animals in order to convert energy and nutrients that were not readily available to humans &#8211; e.g., grazing them on low productivity land that could not be farmed, or feeding them near-rotting food or not easily digestible food by-products.  In doing this, humans received meat and also a concentrated form of nutrients (manure) to use on our crops.  Humans are smart &#8211; this arrangement makes a good deal of sense and has been used by many cultures for millennia.  And recently we&#8217;ve seen a dramatic increase in this kind of production in the US, such as grass-fed beef based on rotational grazing systems [4].  As part of an overall approach to wise land use decisions for food production, it makes sense to use at least some of the least productive land for grazing [5].  Even with this more sustainable form of meat production, I&#8217;d say we in the US still need to greatly reduce our overall meat consumption for both health and environmental reasons, and that only a relatively small amount of meat can be raised in this more sustainable fashion (one reason for its higher price).</p>
<p>The overall point of my presentation was that we need to consider food choices as equally important to our transportation choices in dealing with global warming, both as individuals and as a society that is attempting to tackle the challenge through policy and economic change.  Everyone needs to know this, especially those of us in the industrialized world who produce far more than our fair share of global warming gases.  One benefit of the conference is that it gave me an opportunity to voice this to an audience larger than an academic conference (including the chance to discuss the issue on this here blog).  For that I am thankful.  However, I agree with you that vegan elitism and dogma without regard to empirical evidence are not promising ways forward.</p>
<p>References<br />
[1] USDA ERS, cited in Lappé, Frances Moore. 1991. Diet for a small planet. 20th Anniversary ed. New York: Ballantine Books.<br />
[2] Ogino A, Orito H, Shimada K, Hirooka H. 2007. Evaluating environmental impacts of the Japanese beef cow-calf system by the life cycle assessment method. Anim Sci J 78:424–432.<br />
[3] Carlsson-Kanyama, Annika. 1998. Climate change and dietary choices: how can emissions of greenhouse gases from food consumption be reduced? Food Policy 23 (3-4):277-293.<br />
[4] Hassanein, Neva. 1999. Changing the way America farms: Knowledge and community in the sustainable agriculture movement. Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press.<br />
[5] Peters, C. J., J. L. Wilkins, and G. W. Fick. 2007. Testing a complete-diet model for estimating the land resource requirements of food consumption and agricultural carrying capacity: The New York State example. Renewable Agriculture and Food Systems 22 (02):145-153.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Chandler</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2008/07/beware-false-prophets-a-global-warming-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-783</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the current size of the human population, and understanding that it&#039;s only projected to increase, can you really have ethical &quot;sustainable meat&quot;?  Couldn&#039;t we go a long way toward alleviating world hunger if we used the land dedicated to animal husbandry for growing grains, beans, vegetables and the like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the current size of the human population, and understanding that it&#8217;s only projected to increase, can you really have ethical &#8220;sustainable meat&#8221;?  Couldn&#8217;t we go a long way toward alleviating world hunger if we used the land dedicated to animal husbandry for growing grains, beans, vegetables and the like?</p>
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		<title>By: John C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with many of your points regarding blind adherence to dogma.  It may even be possible to raise livestock &quot;sustainably&quot;.  But I disagree with your contention that livestock can be raised ethically.  Ask yourself the tough question about what gives rise to moral standing in any reasonable ethical system, and you may find yourself realizing that sentience, not rationality, entitles a being to at a minimum immunity from suffering.  A bolt to the head is a bolt to the head, no matter what type of farm the animal is raised on.  Step away from the scent of bacon to realize your brother is burning, brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with many of your points regarding blind adherence to dogma.  It may even be possible to raise livestock &#8220;sustainably&#8221;.  But I disagree with your contention that livestock can be raised ethically.  Ask yourself the tough question about what gives rise to moral standing in any reasonable ethical system, and you may find yourself realizing that sentience, not rationality, entitles a being to at a minimum immunity from suffering.  A bolt to the head is a bolt to the head, no matter what type of farm the animal is raised on.  Step away from the scent of bacon to realize your brother is burning, brother.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn Savedge</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2008/07/beware-false-prophets-a-global-warming-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-780</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenn Savedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superb article.  I don&#039;t think the green movement is served well when it is hijacked by zealots who can&#039;t see past their own agenda.  That said, I think veganism and vegetarianism are virtuous ways to live...and certainly better for the environment.  However, a vegan lifestyle is not the end-all-be-all answer to climate change.  And trying to convince folks otherwise damages the cause.  Thanks for the insight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superb article.  I don&#8217;t think the green movement is served well when it is hijacked by zealots who can&#8217;t see past their own agenda.  That said, I think veganism and vegetarianism are virtuous ways to live&#8230;and certainly better for the environment.  However, a vegan lifestyle is not the end-all-be-all answer to climate change.  And trying to convince folks otherwise damages the cause.  Thanks for the insight!</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.maxgladwell.com/2008/07/beware-false-prophets-a-global-warming-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-778</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s incumbent on the mainstream environmental  movement to advance &quot;reducing our personal meat consumption and doing so in a more healthy and sustainable way.&quot;

It&#039;s my impression that they&#039;ve avoided the topic of animal product production&#039;s effects on the environment and left the vacuum for what you call the &quot;vegan elite,&quot; to define the issue as status quo vs. abstinence. 

Bernard Brown 
The PB&amp;J Campaign</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s incumbent on the mainstream environmental  movement to advance &#8220;reducing our personal meat consumption and doing so in a more healthy and sustainable way.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my impression that they&#8217;ve avoided the topic of animal product production&#8217;s effects on the environment and left the vacuum for what you call the &#8220;vegan elite,&#8221; to define the issue as status quo vs. abstinence. </p>
<p>Bernard Brown<br />
The PB&amp;J Campaign</p>
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